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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Not That Obvious &#171; Banking Kismet</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Not That Obvious &#171; Banking Kismet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pick their credit union over a big bank in the area.  Now, I&#8217;m a fan of credit unions, well&#8230;people at credit unions.  But the reasons they gave just didn&#8217;t sit well with me.  Here&#8217;s the list, along [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pick their credit union over a big bank in the area.  Now, I&#8217;m a fan of credit unions, well&#8230;people at credit unions.  But the reasons they gave just didn&#8217;t sit well with me.  Here&#8217;s the list, along [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Link</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to hear a discussion about whether marketing&#039;s job is to create awareness or caring.  Getting the masses to care about a specific financial service is going to be damned difficult--financial stuff just isn&#039;t exciting to most people.  But if you can connect your financial product or service to something tangible in their lives, you can move them from apathy to caring pretty quickly.  

In the abstract, people don&#039;t care about car loans, but if they want/need a new car, they care--at least until they get what they want.  Like it or not, financial products/services are just facilitators of other things, whereas Apple products (and gadget in general) create experiences all by themselves.

So the challenge is getting consumers to care about the facilitators as part and parcel with the end goals--i.e., you can&#039;t have one without the other.  For example, for our online financial planning service, we are constantly trying to promote the belief that planning is the critical first step to reaching your financial goals.  If we can get consumers to buy in to this belief, they will care about planning because they care about their financial goals.    

Our service is only a facilitator--but so is every other financial product/service.  So the only way to be relevant to people is to make the connection in the consumer&#039;s mind between our service (the facilitator) and the real goal (car/home/peace of mind).  

This is a lot harder than what Apple has to do, if you ask me--but I agree with Ron, it&#039;s still about creating caring, not awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear a discussion about whether marketing&#8217;s job is to create awareness or caring.  Getting the masses to care about a specific financial service is going to be damned difficult&#8211;financial stuff just isn&#8217;t exciting to most people.  But if you can connect your financial product or service to something tangible in their lives, you can move them from apathy to caring pretty quickly.  </p>
<p>In the abstract, people don&#8217;t care about car loans, but if they want/need a new car, they care&#8211;at least until they get what they want.  Like it or not, financial products/services are just facilitators of other things, whereas Apple products (and gadget in general) create experiences all by themselves.</p>
<p>So the challenge is getting consumers to care about the facilitators as part and parcel with the end goals&#8211;i.e., you can&#8217;t have one without the other.  For example, for our online financial planning service, we are constantly trying to promote the belief that planning is the critical first step to reaching your financial goals.  If we can get consumers to buy in to this belief, they will care about planning because they care about their financial goals.    </p>
<p>Our service is only a facilitator&#8211;but so is every other financial product/service.  So the only way to be relevant to people is to make the connection in the consumer&#8217;s mind between our service (the facilitator) and the real goal (car/home/peace of mind).  </p>
<p>This is a lot harder than what Apple has to do, if you ask me&#8211;but I agree with Ron, it&#8217;s still about creating caring, not awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don&#039;t care enough to vote like they should either.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdicating.</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Shevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Niche and @Jeffry: Oh man. If we needed any proof that&#039;s there&#039;s no end to the number of opinions, and that no one is right or wrong....when I used the term apathy I was thinking -- not of any caring about brands -- but about the lack of caring about managing one&#039;s financial life. There a lot of people who don&#039;t create and manage budgets, figure out what the best checking account or credit card is for them, maximize/manage the points on the gazillion rewards programs they belong to, etc.  In the context of this post, I wasn&#039;t even thinking about brand attraction or even awareness. 

Go back to the Apple example: In one respect, Apple has it easy: There are gazillions of people who are really gadgets, or computers, or cell phones. That&#039;s not to say, of course, that Apple doesn&#039;t do a great job of making people like their brand over others. But credit unions don&#039;t have it that easy. Few people care how when a bank/CU introduces a new product. Ho hum. 

It&#039;s analogous to Coke and Pepsi in one respect. You would think that there are no two fiercer head-on competitors than those two firms. But what I witnessed a number of years ago (first hand, I might say, in a consulting engagement w/ a Pepsi bottler) is how the two firms COLLABORATED in South America. They were both looking to make inroads into rural Brazil. Did they fight about which brand tasted better, or any of the other things they claim about each other? NO. They knew job #1 was not to bash each other, but to build demand for soft drinks. 

This is what I&#039;m chiding CUs for. Quit worrying about big banks. Quit trying to convince everybody that you&#039;re good, and they&#039;re evil. The public cares about that -- for NOW. It&#039;s going to pass. Long term, the anti-bank sentiment will pass, and CUs won&#039;t be able to ride this wave. They gotta get people more involved with managing their finances and caring about which FI they do business with. This has NOTHING to do with any one CU&#039;s brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Niche and @Jeffry: Oh man. If we needed any proof that&#8217;s there&#8217;s no end to the number of opinions, and that no one is right or wrong&#8230;.when I used the term apathy I was thinking &#8212; not of any caring about brands &#8212; but about the lack of caring about managing one&#8217;s financial life. There a lot of people who don&#8217;t create and manage budgets, figure out what the best checking account or credit card is for them, maximize/manage the points on the gazillion rewards programs they belong to, etc.  In the context of this post, I wasn&#8217;t even thinking about brand attraction or even awareness. </p>
<p>Go back to the Apple example: In one respect, Apple has it easy: There are gazillions of people who are really gadgets, or computers, or cell phones. That&#8217;s not to say, of course, that Apple doesn&#8217;t do a great job of making people like their brand over others. But credit unions don&#8217;t have it that easy. Few people care how when a bank/CU introduces a new product. Ho hum. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s analogous to Coke and Pepsi in one respect. You would think that there are no two fiercer head-on competitors than those two firms. But what I witnessed a number of years ago (first hand, I might say, in a consulting engagement w/ a Pepsi bottler) is how the two firms COLLABORATED in South America. They were both looking to make inroads into rural Brazil. Did they fight about which brand tasted better, or any of the other things they claim about each other? NO. They knew job #1 was not to bash each other, but to build demand for soft drinks. </p>
<p>This is what I&#8217;m chiding CUs for. Quit worrying about big banks. Quit trying to convince everybody that you&#8217;re good, and they&#8217;re evil. The public cares about that &#8212; for NOW. It&#8217;s going to pass. Long term, the anti-bank sentiment will pass, and CUs won&#8217;t be able to ride this wave. They gotta get people more involved with managing their finances and caring about which FI they do business with. This has NOTHING to do with any one CU&#8217;s brand.</p>
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		<title>By: nichebanking</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>nichebanking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffry Pilcher Your question, &quot;is apathy the right word when so many people hate banking?&quot; is a good one, and raises an important point.  I can&#039;t speak for Ron, but when I talk about apathy being the big problem, I&#039;m talking more about &quot;how strongly do I feel that XYZ financial institution&#039;s brand resonates and is a good fit for me?&quot; rather than &quot;am I happy with the way financial institutions do business?&quot; To your point, there are tons of people who passionately hate the way financial institutions do business. But there are very few people who have a strong opinion about whether a financial institution&#039;s brand is a good fit or a bad fit for them.  Most of them are indifferent (apathetic)--they think &quot;a credit union is a credit union is a credit union...I&#039;ll just go to whichever one is most convenient or has the best rates.&quot; That&#039;s the apathy I&#039;m referring to--inability to make a choice with conviction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffry Pilcher Your question, &#8220;is apathy the right word when so many people hate banking?&#8221; is a good one, and raises an important point.  I can&#8217;t speak for Ron, but when I talk about apathy being the big problem, I&#8217;m talking more about &#8220;how strongly do I feel that XYZ financial institution&#8217;s brand resonates and is a good fit for me?&#8221; rather than &#8220;am I happy with the way financial institutions do business?&#8221; To your point, there are tons of people who passionately hate the way financial institutions do business. But there are very few people who have a strong opinion about whether a financial institution&#8217;s brand is a good fit or a bad fit for them.  Most of them are indifferent (apathetic)&#8211;they think &#8220;a credit union is a credit union is a credit union&#8230;I&#8217;ll just go to whichever one is most convenient or has the best rates.&#8221; That&#8217;s the apathy I&#8217;m referring to&#8211;inability to make a choice with conviction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is apathy the right word when so many people hate banks and banking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is apathy the right word when so many people hate banks and banking?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Credit Unions’ Biggest Enemy « Marketing Tea Party by Ron Shevlin -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Credit Unions’ Biggest Enemy « Marketing Tea Party by Ron Shevlin -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by The Financial Brand, bankingreview, Jim Bruene, David Gerbino, David Gerbino and others. David Gerbino said: Join the heated action about banking apathy at the Marketing Tea Party - http://bit.ly/cnU7lv [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by The Financial Brand, bankingreview, Jim Bruene, David Gerbino, David Gerbino and others. David Gerbino said: Join the heated action about banking apathy at the Marketing Tea Party &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/cnU7lv" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cnU7lv</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nichebanking</title>
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		<dc:creator>nichebanking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line, in my opinion, is that any individual will never become a true &quot;member&quot; without a sincere level of engagement--they will just remain a detached transactional customer (you can call it &quot;member&quot; with words but that doesn&#039;t mean they feel a sense of membership).  And nobody achieves a sincere level of engagement with something they are apathetic about.  Thus, our number one job as financial leaders (not just as marketers) is to help people give a damn...and to do that we have to give them something that&#039;s worth giving a damn about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line, in my opinion, is that any individual will never become a true &#8220;member&#8221; without a sincere level of engagement&#8211;they will just remain a detached transactional customer (you can call it &#8220;member&#8221; with words but that doesn&#8217;t mean they feel a sense of membership).  And nobody achieves a sincere level of engagement with something they are apathetic about.  Thus, our number one job as financial leaders (not just as marketers) is to help people give a damn&#8230;and to do that we have to give them something that&#8217;s worth giving a damn about.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Oppliger</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/28/credit-unions-biggest-enemy/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Oppliger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a great thread of insightful comments on a very, very challenging problem. I won&#039;t try to pretend like I have an answer. In-fact, I doubt there is a single answer. I have four banking relationships - one I love, two I hate, and one I&#039;m apathetic about. The only one I &quot;care&quot; about is the bank I love. And why? It&#039;s because the CEO started the bank at the same time we started our business. He&#039;s been a mentor for me for years - never too busy to see me and always returns my calls and emails. I wouldn&#039;t DREAM of leaving that bank as my primary financial institution. I don&#039;t have that relationship with the other institutions. 

For each person I think the draw is different, but as some of you have stated, no marketing department can make people care about their money. Some of the typical things people use as their criteria for selecting a bank are branch location, ATM location, fees, personal relationships, online functionality, interest rates paid or earned and hours of operation. Years ago this list was shorter and you could probably rank it fairly easily with branch location being a clear leader. Today, the list of criteria keeps getting longer and it&#039;s anyone&#039;s guess what order someone might rank them in terms of importance. 

I tend to think that when it comes to the retail banking customer, as time moves forward, physical locations and personal relationships unfortunately will diminish in importance. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessarily true when it comes to commercial relationships. But even in the case of commercial, the technology that customers demand create more and more distance between banker and account holder. We keep pushing them further out - and it&#039;s what they want: drive-ups, ATMs, online banking &amp; bill pay, remote capture - heck have you seen video banking in the lobby? Someone actually takes the time to get out of their car and walk in and we greet them with a pay-phone handset and tv screen? 

My money says that in time account holders will gravitate to financial institutions - banks or credit unions - that can provide the BEST set of tools to make managing their money as easy, painless, cheap and FUN as possible. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d want to be in the bank building business in 10 years because the bank branch that matters most to people younger than 30 lives online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a great thread of insightful comments on a very, very challenging problem. I won&#8217;t try to pretend like I have an answer. In-fact, I doubt there is a single answer. I have four banking relationships &#8211; one I love, two I hate, and one I&#8217;m apathetic about. The only one I &#8220;care&#8221; about is the bank I love. And why? It&#8217;s because the CEO started the bank at the same time we started our business. He&#8217;s been a mentor for me for years &#8211; never too busy to see me and always returns my calls and emails. I wouldn&#8217;t DREAM of leaving that bank as my primary financial institution. I don&#8217;t have that relationship with the other institutions. </p>
<p>For each person I think the draw is different, but as some of you have stated, no marketing department can make people care about their money. Some of the typical things people use as their criteria for selecting a bank are branch location, ATM location, fees, personal relationships, online functionality, interest rates paid or earned and hours of operation. Years ago this list was shorter and you could probably rank it fairly easily with branch location being a clear leader. Today, the list of criteria keeps getting longer and it&#8217;s anyone&#8217;s guess what order someone might rank them in terms of importance. </p>
<p>I tend to think that when it comes to the retail banking customer, as time moves forward, physical locations and personal relationships unfortunately will diminish in importance. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessarily true when it comes to commercial relationships. But even in the case of commercial, the technology that customers demand create more and more distance between banker and account holder. We keep pushing them further out &#8211; and it&#8217;s what they want: drive-ups, ATMs, online banking &amp; bill pay, remote capture &#8211; heck have you seen video banking in the lobby? Someone actually takes the time to get out of their car and walk in and we greet them with a pay-phone handset and tv screen? </p>
<p>My money says that in time account holders will gravitate to financial institutions &#8211; banks or credit unions &#8211; that can provide the BEST set of tools to make managing their money as easy, painless, cheap and FUN as possible. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d want to be in the bank building business in 10 years because the bank branch that matters most to people younger than 30 lives online.</p>
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