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	<description>Leading the revolt against bad marketing advice and half-baked ideas. A blog by Ron Shevlin</description>
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		<title>By: Gianpaolo Grazioli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gianpaolo Grazioli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generosity. which means taking care of you. You. YOU.
Open to connect, eager to listen. it is an old skill often forgotten but it has never been more essential than now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generosity. which means taking care of you. You. YOU.<br />
Open to connect, eager to listen. it is an old skill often forgotten but it has never been more essential than now.</p>
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		<title>By: IT &#38; Social Marketing &#171; A Dime a Dozen Small Business, Tech and Talk</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>IT &#38; Social Marketing &#171; A Dime a Dozen Small Business, Tech and Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Shevlin as another great look at this; The Fourth Skill Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)SMB&#8217;s and SEO/SEM &#8211; We Suck!An I and T [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ron Shevlin as another great look at this; The Fourth Skill Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)SMB&rsquo;s and SEO/SEM &#8211; We Suck!An I and T [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here a good post on ad agencies struggles with the new media norm.

http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2009/09/21/advertising-agencies-and-social-media-a-culture-clash/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here a good post on ad agencies struggles with the new media norm.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2009/09/21/advertising-agencies-and-social-media-a-culture-clash/" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2009/09/21/advertising-agencies-and-social-media-a-culture-clash/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think that what we are looking for is a Brand Spokester. A person that understands that everything that has to do with brand is based on the complete experience that they have with that brand beyond any marketing, PR, retail experience. This postiion should encompass how an organization would behave if it had conscience and was in anyway human and lives to deliver the brand promise in the most genuine way possible. I agree with Gene, this have everything to do with corporate culture and the people you have at your disposal to deliver this through every channel that currently exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think that what we are looking for is a Brand Spokester. A person that understands that everything that has to do with brand is based on the complete experience that they have with that brand beyond any marketing, PR, retail experience. This postiion should encompass how an organization would behave if it had conscience and was in anyway human and lives to deliver the brand promise in the most genuine way possible. I agree with Gene, this have everything to do with corporate culture and the people you have at your disposal to deliver this through every channel that currently exists.</p>
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		<title>By: George Pasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Pasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word that immediately came to mind for me was &quot;mediation&quot;.  Granted there is no &quot;dispute&quot;, but it can involve bridging the gap you&#039;re speaking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word that immediately came to mind for me was &#8220;mediation&#8221;.  Granted there is no &#8220;dispute&#8221;, but it can involve bridging the gap you&#8217;re speaking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Blishen</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Blishen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron maybe you need to make up a word? I know what you mean. It is sort of like putting some flesh or human quality into the mix. There are aspects of human nature that we know exist because we are human but to define them is difficult. We experience them which seems to be enough.

How does a business define its nature? Most important it needs to know why it exists and what it needs to continue to exist. Organizations take on cultures based on the mix of people who work for the company and also the people who deal with the company. That mix makes it unique and somehow that fourth skill needs to tap into that. The closest I ever come in comparison is that of a conductor that takes those that play the instrument to weave the music together. You really have to be bold to create something were that culture can grow. How you change an organization is tough because of all of these variables. Experience, knowledge, sound business practices, wisdom etc.And just when you think you have the magic answer....something changes.

Social media isn&#039;t going to go away. But it will evolve and change, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron maybe you need to make up a word? I know what you mean. It is sort of like putting some flesh or human quality into the mix. There are aspects of human nature that we know exist because we are human but to define them is difficult. We experience them which seems to be enough.</p>
<p>How does a business define its nature? Most important it needs to know why it exists and what it needs to continue to exist. Organizations take on cultures based on the mix of people who work for the company and also the people who deal with the company. That mix makes it unique and somehow that fourth skill needs to tap into that. The closest I ever come in comparison is that of a conductor that takes those that play the instrument to weave the music together. You really have to be bold to create something were that culture can grow. How you change an organization is tough because of all of these variables. Experience, knowledge, sound business practices, wisdom etc.And just when you think you have the magic answer&#8230;.something changes.</p>
<p>Social media isn&#8217;t going to go away. But it will evolve and change, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brockway</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, et al -

I went to the David Meerman Scott lecture at HBS last Thursday night.  In the Q &amp; A he was asked, with different words, the same question you are on about with your search for people who “[know] how to talk to people and how to get people to talk with each other.”

His suggestion is to add journalists to the marketing group.  The reason, Scott contends, is that journalists know how to quickly, concisely tell a story that is relevant to the reader.  This will build followership in the Social Media space(s).

A marketing or a PR person will tell a story about a company or its products.  Drone, drone, drone.  More brochure-ware in a spiffier package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, et al -</p>
<p>I went to the David Meerman Scott lecture at HBS last Thursday night.  In the Q &amp; A he was asked, with different words, the same question you are on about with your search for people who “[know] how to talk to people and how to get people to talk with each other.”</p>
<p>His suggestion is to add journalists to the marketing group.  The reason, Scott contends, is that journalists know how to quickly, concisely tell a story that is relevant to the reader.  This will build followership in the Social Media space(s).</p>
<p>A marketing or a PR person will tell a story about a company or its products.  Drone, drone, drone.  More brochure-ware in a spiffier package.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Shevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Valeria: I&#039;d agree with you. If social = ability to connect, then the skill I&#039;m looking to define is social. I don&#039;t think that many firms think explicitly about this as a capability, and simply figure that by implementing or using the technology, that they&#039;ve acquired the skill. 

@Phil: There&#039;s definitely an attitude that I&#039;m looking for here (I think that&#039;s what Brad Garland was alluding to w/ his comment about authenticity). But attitude is hard to measure. I want skill (or skill set) because I want something testable and measurable.

I guess one could argue that the other &quot;skills&quot; I&#039;ve listed aren&#039;t very testable or measurable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Valeria: I&#8217;d agree with you. If social = ability to connect, then the skill I&#8217;m looking to define is social. I don&#8217;t think that many firms think explicitly about this as a capability, and simply figure that by implementing or using the technology, that they&#8217;ve acquired the skill. </p>
<p>@Phil: There&#8217;s definitely an attitude that I&#8217;m looking for here (I think that&#8217;s what Brad Garland was alluding to w/ his comment about authenticity). But attitude is hard to measure. I want skill (or skill set) because I want something testable and measurable.</p>
<p>I guess one could argue that the other &#8220;skills&#8221; I&#8217;ve listed aren&#8217;t very testable or measurable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Shevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe (and to a large extent @Jeffry): No question in my mind that the CIO (and the CIO organization) needs this new skill. 

But as JP asks, &quot;is this a new skill to a existing position or a new position?&quot; I think the way really new and important stuff happens in firms is that it starts out as something separate -- a distinct position or department -- and then over time migrates, merges, and morphs into existing areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe (and to a large extent @Jeffry): No question in my mind that the CIO (and the CIO organization) needs this new skill. </p>
<p>But as JP asks, &#8220;is this a new skill to a existing position or a new position?&#8221; I think the way really new and important stuff happens in firms is that it starts out as something separate &#8212; a distinct position or department &#8212; and then over time migrates, merges, and morphs into existing areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Adams</title>
		<link>http://marketingteaparty.com/2010/01/11/the-fourth-skill/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure it&#039;s a skill you&#039;re looking for or an attitude.

Organisations that act as though they have the 4th skill are those that are genuinely care about people or customers.

Which is very different from calling yourself a customer-centric company.

Before embarking on a career in marketing services I held down other service sector jobs as a student. I worked in bars, restaurants and in customer-facing roles in a supermarket. Some people make these jobs look very difficult. If you are naturally inclined to put yourself in other people&#039;s shoes, however, you can make these jobs look very easy.

I think what&#039;s missing in too many organisations is this innate sense of caring.

If they really cared they would completely overhaul their internal structures and lines of reporting.

Yes all this social media stuff is relatively new to many companies. But show it to someone who naturally puts themselves in the other people&#039;s shoes, to someone who takes pride in delivering excellent service and they don&#039;t need to be taught how to make the most out of dialogue enabling channels and technologies. They just get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure it&#8217;s a skill you&#8217;re looking for or an attitude.</p>
<p>Organisations that act as though they have the 4th skill are those that are genuinely care about people or customers.</p>
<p>Which is very different from calling yourself a customer-centric company.</p>
<p>Before embarking on a career in marketing services I held down other service sector jobs as a student. I worked in bars, restaurants and in customer-facing roles in a supermarket. Some people make these jobs look very difficult. If you are naturally inclined to put yourself in other people&#8217;s shoes, however, you can make these jobs look very easy.</p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s missing in too many organisations is this innate sense of caring.</p>
<p>If they really cared they would completely overhaul their internal structures and lines of reporting.</p>
<p>Yes all this social media stuff is relatively new to many companies. But show it to someone who naturally puts themselves in the other people&#8217;s shoes, to someone who takes pride in delivering excellent service and they don&#8217;t need to be taught how to make the most out of dialogue enabling channels and technologies. They just get it.</p>
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